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diff --git a/meeting-logs/20230910.txt b/meeting-logs/20230910.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..d4a2a1d --- /dev/null +++ b/meeting-logs/20230910.txt @@ -0,0 +1,122 @@ +19:00 <@ajak> meeting time! +19:00 <@ajak> 1. Roll call +19:00 <@ajak> !proj council +19:00 <willikins> (council@gentoo.org) ajak, dilfridge, mattst88, mgorny, sam, soap, ulm +19:00 * ajak here +19:00 * dilfridge here +19:00 * ulm here +19:00 * soap here +19:00 * mgorny here +19:00 * sam_ here +19:01 <@sam_> you better not take long, wales are playing +19:01 <@soap> sam watches rugby? +19:01 <@ajak> the ball is in matt's.. court +19:01 <@dilfridge> having a wale of a time +19:01 <@soap> SAD +19:01 <@sam_> national sport innit +19:01 <@soap> so is cricket and it blows? +19:02 <@sam_> please don't compare this to cricket +19:02 <@ajak> lol +19:02 <@ajak> any sign of matt? +19:03 <@sam_> I last saw him about 2 hours ago +19:04 <@ajak> ok, with a relatively light agenda i think it's not the end of the world if we continue, maybe he shows up later +19:04 <@ajak> 2. Foundation dissolution status update +19:04 <@ajak> ulm: any update here? what's happened since the last meeting? +19:04 <@dilfridge> I guess the big news is that we now have a full (and fully known) set of trustees :) +19:05 <@soap> half of them council members :D +19:05 <@sam_> no more quantum trustees +19:05 <@ulm> right, we've appointed 3 trustees, so the board is now complete again +19:05 <@ajak> dilfridge: indeed, congratulations on your board membership +19:05 <@dilfridge> thanks +19:06 <@ajak> what's next on that front? +19:06 <@ulm> for the record, board members are dilfridge, prometheanfire, robbat2, soap, ulm +19:07 <@ulm> I've received an archive of mail to trustees@ of the last 3 years, but haven't found the time yet to sift through all of it +19:07 <@ajak> need to sift through it to find the history of contact with umbrellas? +19:07 <@ulm> yes +19:07 <@sam_> and avoid any other nasty surprises +19:08 <@ajak> so we're still set on the OCF umbrella? or what? +19:08 <@ulm> my impression so far is that we must restart the process in any case, with whatever umbrella +19:09 <@ulm> OCF, OSF, SPI or LF +19:09 <@dilfridge> ftr I already suggested privately that the foundation should maybe fund / support a private get-together of previous and current north-american trustees, with the specific purpose of *updating bank account signees* +19:09 <@sam_> my understanding was sort of that we were left with little choice wrt OCF (not that they're necessarily something we wouldn't choose) because of previous actions +19:09 <@sam_> so a restart might mean we re-evaluate all of that +19:09 <@ajak> so we're re-evaluating them all +19:09 <@dilfridge> I'd say yes +19:10 <@soap> I thought SPI was the most natural choice +19:10 <@dilfridge> me too +19:10 <@sam_> dilfridge: yes, that feels like an easy win and a natural thing to do, given the current signatory situation +19:10 <@sam_> possibly sorting out the electronic vs fax thing too for the invoices/etc +19:10 <@ajak> ok, wfm, and i guess it'd be a little early to have a serious conversation as council about which to go with +19:10 <@ulm> it's also not completely clear to me what the implications of 501c3 (charity) vs 501c6 (trade association) are, wrt to restrictions imposed on us +19:10 <@ulm> SPI and OCF would be 3, OSF would be 6 +19:10 <@sam_> yeah, it's kind of tragic how we have to try learn US law in order to stop worrying so much about US law (by having someone else handle a lot of it) +19:11 <@dilfridge> 3 has the advantage that donations are federal tax-deductible, which means it may be easier to get muchos dolares +19:11 <@ulm> not sure about LF, probably 501c6? +19:11 <@ajak> yes +19:12 <@ajak> ok, so maybe by next meeting we'll try reaching out to whichever we find most suitable? +19:13 <@ulm> preferably we should have a trustees meeting before that +19:14 <@ulm> but it's not an absolute prerequisite +19:14 <@ajak> when's the next trustees meeting? +19:14 <@ulm> very good question :/ +19:14 <@ulm> no date for it yet +19:14 <@soap> robbat2: ideas? +19:14 <@dilfridge> we still need to project it onto a date +19:15 <@sam_> that's the only thing worrying me a bit +19:15 <@ajak> i'm hesitant to assent to another dependency on trustees for moving forward with this +19:16 <@ulm> that's why I said "preferably" +19:17 <@ajak> ok, so let's try deciding on who we want to reach out to again and reaching out for the next council meeting +19:17 <@ajak> and if trustees meeting happens at an opportune ordering with the next meeting, great +19:18 <@dilfridge> I guess the main item to be sorted out first is c3 vs c5 +19:18 <@ulm> s/5/6/? +19:18 <@dilfridge> Once we know we're good with one or both of them, that gives us... yes +19:18 <@ajak> yes (but doesn't need to happen synchronously) +19:20 <@ajak> ok, next topic? +19:21 <@ajak> 3. Open bugs with council participation [1] +19:21 <@ajak> [1] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Council#Open_bugs_with_Council_participation +19:21 * ajak blinks +19:21 <@ajak> no bugs? +19:21 <@dilfridge> bug-free gentoo! +19:21 <@sam_> let's close up shop lads +19:22 <@ajak> \o/ +19:22 <@ajak> ok then that brings us to: +19:22 <@ajak> 4. Open floor +19:22 * mgorny likes boring meetings +19:22 * ajak will timeout in 2m if nothing comes up +19:22 <turret> hi +19:23 <@dilfridge> lo! +19:23 <@sam_> nothing from me and I've no appetite for anything much else at the moment until the Foundation stuff is sorted, given it's so important +19:23 <@sam_> so i'm not really in ideas mode +19:23 <@dilfridge> turret: what's up +19:23 <turret> i would suggest going for a 501c3 (gentoo could definitely class as charitable and educational) plus as dilfridge noted its tax deductable +19:24 <turret> def. some more legal requirements but ideally an umbrella would handle those +19:25 <@ajak> requirements of the umbrella are surely going to be a superset of the legal requirements of a 501c3 +19:25 <@ajak> like, the legal ramifications don't go away with the umbrella +19:25 <@ulm> yes +19:25 <turret> yeah i'd think so aswell +19:26 <pietinger> do we know if there is a back tax payment under US law when a 501c3 corporation is merged into a 501c6 corporation ? +19:26 <@ajak> ok, anything else for open floor? +19:26 <@ajak> ah +19:27 <@ajak> i'm not sure that's relevant for us being neither status? +19:27 <@dilfridge> pietinger: I guess the plan would be not to merge, but to transfer assets and dissolve... (also you got it backwards) +19:27 <@dilfridge> gentoo foundation is 501c6 +19:27 <@ulm> dilfridge: nope, it isn't +19:28 <@ajak> "The Gentoo Foundation is incorporated as a domestic non-for-profit corporation in the state of New Mexico. It has no special IRS designation and files paperwork as a normal corporation." according to https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Foundation:Main_Page +19:28 <@ulm> it's a normal corporation that pays taxes +19:28 <@sam_> ajak: the "not-for-profit" bit there is very misleading btw +19:28 <@dilfridge> ergh. +19:28 <@sam_> we discussed that in the past with antarus +19:28 <@sam_> he added that last sentence to try clarify it, but I think it doesn't help the confusion +19:28 <@dilfridge> ok one more reason to get rid of it +19:28 <@ajak> lol +19:28 <@sam_> we have no non-profit legal status right now at all +19:28 <@ulm> IIUC it has NFP status in New Mexico but not for the IRS +19:28 <@sam_> (afaik) +19:28 <@sam_> ah +19:29 <turret> NFP status in new mexico probably lowers franchise taxes to stay incorperated +19:29 <@ajak> right, it's a state thing rather than federal? but maybe new mexican tax statuses are particularly funny here +19:29 <@dilfridge> we don't really have much business in NM though +19:29 * ulm has no idea about US law +19:29 <@ulm> or NM law +19:29 <@ajak> anyway i'm not sure we should burden everyone's time with US/NM tax law bikeshed :) +19:30 * dilfridge wonders if there is anything in NM except Los Alamos and aliens +19:30 * ajak bangs gavel diff --git a/meeting-logs/20230910.txt.asc b/meeting-logs/20230910.txt.asc new file mode 100644 index 0000000..0021fe1 --- /dev/null +++ b/meeting-logs/20230910.txt.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- + +iHUEABYKAB0WIQQyG9yfCrmO0LPSdG2gXq2+aa/JtQUCZP4dAwAKCRCgXq2+aa/J +tQ5TAP9P3jQQafc5PZ0tvLNZy4OzMHhf8Ztp/2/uGeTpcSxqXAEA3oN+XJTP4mjB +6P0pgVInieioKZRh7MhLOutvV4xq0g8= +=qY4c +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |